Tuesday, March 25, 2014

Does God Hate Sinners?


Ask Christians any one, probably except for the crazy bunch with their “God hates fags” signs, and you will get a resigning no! Of Course NOT!

Definition of Love and Hate

John Piper:
Both hate and love have two different meanings. Hate can either be “intense loathing of a quality” or “intense intentionality to destroy”. Love can be “intense delighting in a quality”, or intense intentionally to bless (even despite the presence of sin.)

God loves – Intense delighting in a quality


Zephaniah 3:17
(3:17) ​The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.

Psalms 147:11
(147:11) but the LORD takes pleasure in those who fear him, in those who hope in his steadfast love.

God loves – Intense intentionally to Bless (despite loathsome sin)

John 3:16
(3:16) “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

Romans 5:8
(5:8) but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 

God Hates – intense loathing of a quality

Psalms 5:4-7
(5:4-7)  4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you.  5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.  6You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.  7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love, will enter your house. I will bow down toward your holy temple in the fear of you.

Psalms 11:5
(11:5) The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Leviticus 20:23
(20:23) And you shall not walk in the customs of the nation that I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I detested them.

Proverbs 6:16-19
(6:16-19)  16There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:  17​haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,  18​a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,  19​a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Hosea 9:15
(9:15) Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.

God hates - intense intentionality to destroy

Malachi 1:2-4
(1:2-4)  “Yet I have loved Jacob 3but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” 4If Edom says, “We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins,” the LORD of hosts says, “They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called ‘the wicked country,’ and ‘the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.’”

God pours out his wrath against sinners

Romans 1:18
(1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

John 3:36
(3:36) Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

My Take:

One of my profs brought this topic up once. The saying: "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" it is such a famous one, but where is that written in the Bible?!
 
God is love (1 John 4:8), but he is also Righteous (Rom 3:23, 6:23). God hates evil. God’s wrath is real, and it is not poured out on people he approves of (Rom 1:18, John 3:36). Wrath is poured out on people God disapproves of. God feels an intense loathing towards sinners, those who are his enemies, who refuse to worship him, those who prefer to practicing evil than than obey his commandments. God hates them (Ps 5:5, Ps 11:5, Lev 20:23, Prov 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15).

Sin is not just a random concept. It is committed in human hearts (Mat 15:19). God hates sin, and the one practicing sin. Sinners are the ones who are going to be punished for their evil deeds, not sin.
Yes God loves all, and wants all to come to the knowledge of his saving grace. (1 Tim 4:2), He “so loved the world” (John 3:16)...  he has an intense desire to bless, even when those he does not delight in.

If we do not understand that God finds us hateful and loathsome in our sin, we will not be stunned by what His love is for us.
Isaiah 53 (4-6) - Jesus describes as taking our punishment for us. God put our iniquity on him and he was pierced and crushed for us BY GOD.

Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.




We are loathsome to him in our sins, but he saves us (Romans 5:8, and he makes us the apple of his eye. God comes to us, not in our unattractiveness, he dies for us and makes us pure. It is not a question of “God loves the sinner but hates the sin”.

God can love us with the intent to save us, even when we are God hating, and God dispising. When we are saved, he loves us with the desire to bless us forever, but also with increasing delight (Zeph 3:17).

So: God loves and hates sinners

Sunday, March 23, 2014

What is love??



Just wrote this email recently... thought it might be blog worthy!

Love - one of the definitions i like is something like this: it is the overflow of joy in God that leads you to meet the needs of others. (John Piper in his book "Desiring God").


I had a conversation with a friend recently. They were asking me if I felt people used the word "Love" too often. So yeah I think most of the time the word is misused. So if I go to McDonald's and get a Big Mac... I will say "I love this burger", I think, there is truth to this because love, as a dimension of Delight!

But when we say we love somebody is that it? Is it just that we delight in them?

Imagine if love in a marriage was based on this kind of love? If you go into a marriage based on your love for another person. You are in it because of what you can get out of it, as soon as your spouse no longer makes you happy, then divorce is the logical next step.

So the Biblical view of love:


John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome


There are many many verses to chose from. I just wanted to show how these verses seem to flip our conception of love on its head!

We think: This person does something for me therefore I love...
Bible: the verses seems to hint the opposite... I love therefore I do... I love, so I obey, and I obey with JOY... God loves, and it cost him. He gave his Son.

So I would say that the idea of love in the Bible is sacrificial. Maybe think about a new born child. What has he done? Nothing! Yet, parents naturally just overflow with Joy when they think of their Baby... this Joy leads them to Act and meet all his or her needs.

SO I think that is one big aspect about Love, it moves you to DO!

How can you say you love everybody? You don't even know everyone!

Keeping the previous concept of love... are you willing to give to a complete stranger? Are you willing to do something that will cost you? Are you able to do that and feel joy, (that it is not a burden? 1 John 5:3). I think you can actually, if love is a Way of life! You chose to live, placing other people's needs above your own (Phil 2:4). Does that sound like the good life? Or a terrible life? If Jesus was able to endure the cross with JOY (Hebrews 12:2) we can probably also live a life of JOY loving everyone around us.

As Christians Jesus commands: Love your enemy!


Here's Jesus talking: (Mat 5)
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Christians are not loving?

So about you not feeling loved by Christians... I think that's fair enough! And that's where we fail! Jesus tells us, his followers that we should be known for our extravagant love for one another.


John 13(Jesus Speaking) 
34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”
Christians are not perfect! We are just people with problems like everyone else. Just we acknowledge our need for a savior! I would say judge Christianity by what Jesus says. That's my standard, not how Christians live... Though you would be correct to observe how being a Christian is lived out... They seem to show you that they need a savior... SO I would say there you agree with them!

How can you love someone you disagree with?

So I guess I would say that if love requires action! Then I would say that when you disagree with someone, instead of you "no longer" loving them, I would try to argue for the opposite! If you are still able to act, in a way that it costs you to "Love them", to demonstrate how you care about them as an individual and their well being, I would argue that you demonstrate even greater love! (the cost is greater!)

Alright... well you asked for the Christian view - So this is what I think it is! Looking forward to your thoughts on this!

Love is spending time?

Have not thought about this too much... A famous book people in Christian circles go coucou over is one describing different ways you can love. The main idea is that we all express love in different ways, and we all prefer some kinds better than others. Here's the list:

  1. words of affirmation
  2. giving presents
  3. physical touch
  4. time
  5. acts of service
Think about it!


Much Love!